Day Game: PUA For Daytime Dating

Daytime Dating just didn’t start off well with me.

I’ll be blunt: I’ve been in the underground dating community for quite a long time. I’ve read a lot of books, watched a lot of DVDs and heard a lot of guys talk. And I’d be lying if I told you that after a certain point all this stuff starts to sound the same.

Why?

You get a successful formula and guys will copy it because it works … and because they can sell their own versions of it. Monkey see, monkey do.

So I was already fighting the temptation to ask for my money back when Soul introduced Daytime Dating by recommending Magic Bullets to his readers and describing his own book as a “companion” to Love System’s classic dating bible.

I was then surprised by something I never have seen before.

There is definitely more information in it than you can soak up in one sitting. But what if you’re reading this book at a coffee shop and there’s a hot girl next to you?

Soul’s entire first chapter is a quick rundown of the course designed specifically with that situation in mind ! He goes through the most basic elements of the Love Systems model as it applies to day game in such a clear and concise way that if you have just ten minutes to go through it you’ll be able to hit the streets and put this material to work immediately.

Nevertheless, that was nice … but then we were right back into Magic Bullets again.

Soul covers in painstaking detail the precise methods he teaches within the general Magic Bullets model. For example out of the eight attraction switches presented in Magic Bullets he will focus on Passion for day game (as opposed to being a Challenge, which is more effective in a club setting.)

So are you pretty much hosed if you’re new to day game ?

Even if you haven’t read Magic Bullets and have no idea what an “attraction switch” is — the small paragraph he gives to discussing it leaves you with a firm grasp of this concept. And this is one of the strong points of Daytime Dating — Soul’s attention to detail … coupled with his crystal-clear explanations.

He’d made some good points and was doing a great job of explaining things, so I had mixed feelings just from the first few pages because I was honestly expecting 100% new material. Still, I decided to give Daytime Dating a second chance.

And I got more of same …

Day game has a specific set of issues pertaining to approaching. It can be very difficult for guys to get past the idea of approaching a women outside of a club setting. So Soul dedicates his next chapter to Inner Game by going through the same old “affirmations” you’ve probably been telling yourself in the mirror for months.

Except for one very important difference.

According to Jeremy Soul, day game puts all of your social interactions “under the microscope.” You have much less time, less margin for error, and no socially endorsed “context” for your approach. All of your attributes … and weaknesses … are thus presented in much greater detail. Consequently, you must have the proper mindset to succeed.

So, as an illustration, when it comes to revealing your thoughts to a woman: when done correctly during the day, this really demonstrates your higher value as a strong man who is not afraid to express himself spontaneously, even to a perfect stranger on a populated street. Doing it wrong … specifically by being outcome dependent … will automatically demonstrate lower value in her eyes and make you look vulverable.

Of course we’ve heard it 1000 times: don’t be outcome dependent … like a concept chanted repeatedly until it’s burned into your psyche. Until you don’t even think about it.

It was around this time that I started to grasp what Soul was really doing.

Many guys come into day game absolutely anxious, with no clue how they are going to approach these beatuiful strangers … let alone get a number or a date. Guys like this need direction from the ground up.

Other guys … we’ve put in the time it takes approaching in the clubs and know something about how to take a girl home. The Magic Bullets model works so well that we might not even think about how it should be fine-tuned to a new situation. So we use good information in a bad way … and fall hard.

Soul wasn’t just simply teaching me what I already knew … he was un-training me what I only thought I knew.

If you want to excel at day game, you’ll have to tear apart all your old suppositions about what works and why. You must be keen to discover a new process using concepts you already know … but in unique ways.

It really is a test of your growth and skill.

And for those who are focused, Soul does not disappoint. The 3 parts of Daytime Dating cover every factor of day game … from the logistical and mental preparation to the interaction itself and beyond … to taking the girl home with you.

Here are some of the best parts:

How to stop women on the street complete with a 4 step plan ! Do not ever suffer that horrible disturbing doubt again !

A comprehensive chapter just on places to meet chicks. You’ve most likely thought of quite a few of these … and here is all the information you have to make every last one of these occasions a success.

The magic formula to successful Physical Acceleration. Do this incorrectly and 3 hours will not be long enough to get her into the sack … get it right and she will think it’s taking forever !

The 7 Major Factors of a triumphant Direct Game Pickup. Circumstances frequently demand direct tactics in day game… with this information you will be able to make it work every time.

A “crash course” breakdown of the Love Systems Triad covering each of the issues experienced guys should be aware of and launching new guys on the fast-track to mastery.

You’ll be guided through every aspect of the interaction from approach to close and you’re provided with numerous examples every step of the way.

So what’s my final vedict?

If you don’t want to revisit familiar material and discover something new that will enhance your game … then you should probably stick with night game. Daytime Dating by Soul isn’t for everyone. And if you’re already good at what you do, then more power to you.

But if you want to go throughout your day with the rock-solid confidence that you can open … and seduce … almost any girl who catches your eye …

… then there is most likely not a more clear, practical and down-to-earth Day Game guide available. Strongly recommended.

We recently sat down with Jeremy Soul of Love Systems for a chat about Day Game. He’s the acknowledged master as far as Love Systems is concerned and that’s why he was chosen to write a book on Day Game. There was a huge build-up to the release of his book (which is out now — read the scathing, but mostly positive review here) and that’s why we haven’t been able to talk with him until now.

We decided to make this a more fun interview, rather than the dry ones you normally see. Hopefully it will give you a few chuckles.

Day Game Question: Are you a bionic robot? If yes, where were you built and what was the cost for the parts?

Jeremy Soul: I am approximately 80% human being and the remainder is robot: I had laser seduction eyes and a prehensile penis installed.

Question: What is the most common problem guys confront when they are trying to learn the ins and outs of day game? And what was your own primary obstacle?

Soul: Approaching women. Virtually all men find the act of approaching women from cold hard enough as it is, let alone doing it out of a typically social setting, without alcohol and often without male compatriots to goad them on.

The biggest challenge I had when learning Day Game was to come out of my shell and start talking myself up. That is something that doesn’t come naturally to an introverted person, which I am.

Question: Do you do much nightclub game? If so, did you begin with that or did you start with Day Game?

Soul: I do. I like hitting the bars and clubs when I have a good crew of guys (often, guys I work with at Love Systems). To me though, nightclubs are more about having fun and occasional sex than about getting girlfriends. I have tended to find the latter from the daytime rather than at night. I started practicing both, but ended up finding Day Game to be a bigger passion.

Question: Would you say that day game might be more difficult typically than gaming in a club?

Soul: In several aspects it really is quite a bit easier. For instance, it’s a lot easier to create a good first impression in the daytime, just by pure advantage of your self-assurance in approaching her in a situation where most men don’t. In other respects, it can be harder. For example, it’s harder to get a girl in an emotional state that’s strong enough to take her home right away, whereas in a nightclub that’s significantly easier.

Question: What is a reasonable estimate of success with day game? Should a guy expect to be able to take women home right from the coffee shop? Or is it more about getting numbers and day 2s?

Soul: You can easily play with the variables and get whatever you want from it. I know guys that do a lot of daytime/afternoon pulls; but if you’re going to do that, you’re deciding on a limited proportion of women (the women who are logistically available to do that with you). Generally speaking, daytime approaches are going to be a lot more about setting up dates, which is my preference anyway.

Question: What is the most enjoyable aspect of day game for you (as opposed to going out to clubs or bars) ?

Soul: Two things: 1) the beaming smile of a woman just after you’ve approached her when you realize that you just made her day, and 2) the look on other people’s faces around you as your approach the stone cold hottie in this public setting, when people have that “look at the balls on this guy!” look on their faces.

Question: What is your personal best day game story?

Soul: Once in New york, I had a girl completely lose her mind when I walked up to her. She started screaming about how inappropriate it was for me to come up to a perfect stranger and was flailing her fists at me. Weird girl.

It threw me for a couple of minutes and I started to question myself. Was I being intrusive to people? Did she have a point? was my whole day game philosophy flawed? Then I thought back to all the memories I had of spending time with beautiful and incredible women that I had met on streets, cafes and shopping malls, and I realized that I couldn’t let this crazy girl stop me doing what I loved…

So I let it go, and just thirty minutes later I walked up to a lady I took home that night. I started dating her a few months later, and she remains the love of my life to this day.

The Day Game: Thanks for your time and we look forward to talking again!

   One of the biggest problems guys face is not knowing what to say when they see a woman they want to talk to. Especially when they see a woman in the daytime. The first step to meeting women in daytime environment is the approach, but in this article you will find some examples of things you can say to start a conversation.

   There are some differences between approaching women in the daytime than at night. You wouldn’t approach a woman in a grocery store the same way you would at a bar.

   One of the main differences is that the women in the daytime generally do not expect to be approached, whereas at night they do  expect it. Especially when the woman is beautiful.

   On top of that most women aren’t in a social mood to talk to people in the daytime and they usually are on a time constraint. She might be on her way to pickup a friend or is running late for work. That’s why it is advised to use direct approaches in the daytime, simply because you skip a couple of steps for a successful pickup.

   At night you might have an hour to talk to a woman, but when you meet someone on the street she might be on her way to an appointment. This means you have to efficiently compress the interaction to a shorter period of time, starting off with an direct approach.

   The structure of a direct conversation starter is this:

   You first have to get her attention before you can deliver your compliment. Between that is the social calibration, which means that you address the situation you’re both in, which is necessary to make her feel comfortable. The biggest part of your direct conversation starter (“opener”) is the compliment.

   Let’s look at a couple direct day game openers:

   “Excuse me, I just saw you walking past, and I had to come tell you that you look absolutely beautiful.”

   “Excuse me, I just saw you sitting there, and I wanted to come tell you that you look stunning.”

   “Hi, I saw you from across the isle and I thought you looked gorgeous. I wanted to come introduce myself.”

   These are all examples that follow the structure of an effective daytime opener. First part is a way to grab her attention, then the social calibration, and then the compliment. You can use these right away and if used correctly, you will have successfully started a conversation with a woman.

   A good general rule for compliments is: the more specific, the better. Also, it should be an explicit physical interest in her attractiveness. A comment about her “purse”  or “nice dress” is weak. However, you can start with something general and followup with something more specific.

   For example:

   “Excuse me, I saw you walking by, and I had to come tell you that you look absolutely gorgeous. I can tell you really take care of yourself.”

   “Excuse me, I just saw sitting there, and I wanted to come tell you that you look stunning. I really like your sense of style.”

   “Hi, I saw you from across the isle and I thought you looked gorgeous. I like how you put yourself together. I wanted to come introduce myself.”

   The examples are all the same from above but added with a specific compliment. Feel free to play around with those and phrase them the way you normally talk so it is congruent with you.

   All these openers are great for starting conversations with women you meet in coffee shops, malls, grocery stores, shopping streets, and any other place you meet women outside bars and clubs. After you have approached, you must continue the conversation. These are just examples of breaking the ice.

   Jeremy Soul, widely recognized as the expert on meeting in daytime environments, has released his recently released book Daytime Dating which is about approaching women in daytime environments, getting their phone numbers, and going on dates with them. If you are interested in meeting women outside bars and clubs, check out the book here.

Myth #1: A Master Of Day Game Can Pull Any Woman Off The Street And Into A Hotel Room

   Your number one enemy when you start practicing day game—or any skill, really—is having unrealistic expectations of the outcome.

   Focusing too much on what the day game pua “masters” can do is going to screw up your game at any level, because you feel like you’ll never measure up.

   And the fact is, most of these stories are exaggerated, if not wholly fictional. Most of the time with day game you’re just going to be getting a number and a date. And if you’re really skillful and the logistics are right, you’ll get an insta-date.

   If you think success means consistently getting more than this, then you aren’t going to know success is when you have it.

   That’s not to say that pulling women off the street for spontaneous, casual sex is impossible ! In fact, it happens fairly often… but it usually depends as much (if not more) on the woman and her logistics as it does on your skill.

Myth #2: Day Game Is Only For Guys With Advanced Skills

   There is a perception that day game is somehow “advanced” material and that beginners should just stick to the clubs.

   Day game is no harder than club game. It is merely a different skill. There are factors you must consider which you don’t have to worry about in a club, but then again the club has it’s own set of problems.

   For example, in a club you never have to wonder if it’s a “good time” to open a girl, since you know she’s come there with the intention of meeting people.

   On the other hand, you’re likely to be dealing with a lot of other guys who are interested in her, too… which is not often the case during the day.

   If you can walk up to a girl and hold a conversation, you’re already running day game. All you need now is the knowledge and skills to get consistent success.

Myth #3: What Works In The Club Will Work On The Street

   I have a friend who kills in the club. This guy has incredible skills and amazing energy, and when we are out he hardly ever goes home without a hot chick.

   His secret is being absolutely direct. He turns up the heat very quickly and the girls… who are there to hook up with someone anyway… go for it every time.

   Just the other day this friend and I were having lunch in the park when he saw a cute girl sitting alone on a bench nearby. So he approached. Told the same stories and ran the same routines that have gotten him laid hundreds of times. And got shot down.

   Why? Because he assumed that the tactics which work on girls who are looking for sex will work on a girl who’s not.

   The worst part is if he’d played it differently he might have been successful. Girls are always looking for adventure. You just have to frame it differently and lead with a different energy during the day.

Myth #4: Logistics Are Always Bad Because The Girl Is Always Going Somewhere

   A lot of guys think of “day game” and picture a busy street with hundreds of people rushing from one place to another. When everyone is in a hurry, the chances of pulling a girl away for a date (or more) seem pretty minimal.

   Again… part of the problem here has to do with expectations. Very often with successful day game all you’re doing is getting contact information and possibly setting up a future date.

   Beyond this anything is possible… but you have to be on the lookout for situations where a girl is not “going” somewhere. For example, maybe she’s taking her lunch break. That’s half an hour right there.

   Or maybe she’s working (be careful with this one, though. You want to respect her situation… don’t try and lock her into a conversation if she’s clearly busy, or she’ll think you’re a douche. And she’ll be right.)

   With a little observation and practice, you’ll discover how to spot the girls who have some time on their hands…

Myth #5: She Is Busy And Doesn’t Want To Be Disturbed

   Of course, even if a girl is sitting by herself on the bus with a book… she’s reading. If she’s got an iPod, she’s listening to music. If she’s got a laptop, she’s probably on Facebook or doing something for work. She’s always doing something.

   So what?

   Imagine for a second that you’re texting a friend, when an attractive woman suddenly comes up to you and opens a conversation. She’s friendly, interesting to talk to, and everything in her body language tells you that she likes you. After a few minutes, she gives you her number and suggests you get together soon.

   The last thing you’re going to do is tell her, “Sorry, I’m busy.”

   How would you feel if that scenario really happened to you? Pretty amazing, right? Well it’s the same way for girls. Even if you’re not in a club, girls still love to be approached !

   You may run into the occasional girl with a bad attitude who will blow you off. But most of the time if you keep a positive, playful energy and don’t weigh down the interaction with too many expectations, the girls you meet will be very happy that you took the time to approach them.

   When you get right down to the heart of the matter, there’s really only two basic situations in which you’ll find yourself approaching girls.

   The most common is when you’re out at a club, bar, party, or any other social setting where strangers have come together to have fun and meet people. Approaching girls and running routines here is usually called “club game” or “night game.”

   Then there’s everywhere else: on the bus, at the store, waiting in line at the bank. Because these interactions usually happen during the day, we call them “day game.”

   There are many differences between day game and night game as far as energy, logistics, etc.

   For instance, girls almost always go out to bars and clubs with their friends, which is another factor you must deal with. During the day they are more likely to be alone.

   But the real difference is in the type and quality of the interactions you have.

   A lot of guys learn to approach women at bars and in clubs. Pretty logical choice, really: there’s no shortage of hot girls, and all of them are there hoping to meet someone.

   But the club scene comes with a heavy price tag.

   First, a lot of the girls you meet are flakey, boozed up, or carting around a ton of emotional baggage. They can be a lot of fun for a night or two, but if you are looking for something more serious you may want to look elsewhere.

   Then there’s the burnout. Going out every weekend is expensive and can get exhausting. Of course if it’s your only way of meeting women, you’re going to keep doing it—even if you don’t enjoy it. And that’s going to hurt your game.

   The fact is, a lot of guys just don’t like the club scene, and even the ones that do eventually get tired of it and want to try something else. That’s why guys who are serious about meeting quality women eventually turn to day game.

   But if you’ve only been running routines in clubs, you’re in for a shock.

   When you approach a girl at a club, you want to have a great deal of positive energy. Girls go out to have fun, and are automatically drawn to you when you look like you’re having an awesome time. But if you approach a girl at the library with the same over-the-top vibe you use in a club, it’s probably going to embarrass her … and get yourself thrown out !

   The point is, you’re going to have to change your methods if you want to succeed at day game.

   Now, remember that most attractive girls are being approached all the time, even during the day. So the biggest question guys usually have about day game is: what is the best way to open her during the day?

   Should you just tell her point blank that you think she’s hot and you’d like to go out with her? Or should you dance around the issue a bit? Tease her, intrigue her, make her wonder what you’re really up to?

   The answer is: Both…

   It’s really a matter of your own energy and the specific situation.

   Remember: there is no “magic formula” that works every time. Some girls will be very receptive to a direct approach, while others require a bit more work and subtlety.

   This site is for guys who hate the club/bar scene and want to meet those ladies you see every day out in the real world. You know, the girl at the bookstore, the foxy Barista behind the counter making frappucinos, the cutie who passed you on the street and smiled while you tried to think of something to say and came up empty… and she was gone forever…

   Day Game is all about minimizing those missed opportunities and connecting with women everywhere you go and filling your pockets with new phone numbers every day.